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Monday, September 3, 2012

Wish I Could Say That This Was Going To Be Easy

Cynthia Ruccia




The Democratic National Convention (DNC) starts in a few days, and I have promised myself (and my readers) that I am going to watch it. And I will. I have a much busier work schedule this week than last, so I won't be watching it as much as I watched the RNC. And I will be watching it on CSPAN. I really loved watching the other convention on CSPAN. I felt like I was there in the arena, and it was nice forming my own impressions and opinions of what went on rather than have some bloviating talking head telling me what I should think. I even called my friend T on the phone one day (she lives in a different city than I do), and we spent close to three hours on the phone watching the RNC on CSPAN together while the state roll call vote was taken to formally nominate and elect Romney as the party's nominee. We were like giggling girls in the bleachers watching it all. It was fun!!!!

I must confess that I am DREADING watching the DNC. I can't fathom that my feelings are still too raw from what happened in 2008. I mean, so much time has past but I'm still mad at the Democrats. If any of the Democrats who have stayed on board in 2008 instead of leaving like the 4 million of us who did depart the party choose to come onto this blog to excoriate me for expressing myself, I'm going to delete your comments. I don't mind having a real conversation about it, but I'm not dealing with name calling, insults, nasty abortion talk, character assassination, shaming, arrogance, etc. You won't win me back that way, so what good does it do you to go there? If you want to comment politely, I'm happy to have a conversation. Ok?

To me and many like me, the list of villains from 2008 is long and deep. And that list includes women. Four million of us party stalwarts left the party because we felt betrayed in the worst way. We gave our lifeblood to the party only to be body slammed. In my case it was 40 years of continual service to the Democrats, and my story is hardly unique. Many of the people who read Women Win Too lived through the events of 2008 the way I did. This blog has a sizeable and growing readership, and often I find myself expressing the sentiments of alot of other folks. Some of the people I speak for have had to go underground in order not to lose their jobs. Others went underground to save their sanity. Yet others "came out" the way I did and took alot of incoming firepower. We were completely unprepared for this turn of events. Many of us had never been in this kind of hot seat before. We all lost friends, family members, and more than that for the stand we took. Even now, since people cannot fathom leaving the Democrats for the reasons we did, we still take alot of heat. In truth, looking back, if you had told any of us in 2006 that by the time the election of 2008 rolled around that we'd be out of the Democratic Party and voting for Republicans, third party candidates-----ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRATS-----we'd have told you you were nuts. However, that's what happened. We found out who our friends were real fast, and we made a whole lot of new friends in the process.

But my anger hasn't abated. Instead of feeling the joy of having two major party leaders, Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, being female, I see them as part of the betrayal. Particularly Pelosi who the "crowd of 4 million" sees as a real enemy. We see her as having had alot of power which she used to make sure that Hillary Clinton lost the primary. How do you define someone, a trailblazer in her own right, blocking the path for another woman trying to break another glass ceiling, someone who could/should have been the first female president of the U.S.? Traitor is the first word that comes to mind. My sentiments for Wasserman-Schultz are a little less intense. She was a major advocate for Hillary, but the minute the primary battle was over, she swept the sexism under the rug in order to advance her own career. My husband keeps telling me that these people are all politicians and will always look out for #1 and he's right. But I'm still disappointed at the women who turned their back on Hillary. And angry too.

I could go on and on. And since I am bound and determined to watch the DNC  alot of ugly memories are flooding back from 2008. I attended the 2008 DNC, not as a delegate, but as a guest of the Republican Party. I was with a group of Hillary Clinton Democrats who had left the party, people like John Coale, husband of Greta Van Susteren and a wealthy trial attorney and major Democratic donor, Democratic congressman Tim Penny of Minnesota who left the party (ironically, while a Democrat he had campaigned AGAINST me when I ran for Congress---we had a good laugh over that!!), Lynn Forrester Rothschild, the dynamic businesswoman, a gentleman who was a member of the diplomatic corps in the Clinton administration whose name escapes me, and others. We went from press conference to interview ad nauseum in our days in Denver along with Carly Fiorina, the former CEO of Hewlett Packard who was the liason to our group from the McCain campaign.

Anyways, here we are in 2012, and although I have voted for some Democrats since 2008, it has been tough doing so. My votes for Democrats have been some friends from the old days, mostly local candidates. I have also voted against other friends sad to say. There are a few Democratic officeholders I know who felt exactly the way I did but couldn't say or do anything about it for fear of losing their elected jobs. In some ways I speak for them even today. I know of at least one Democrat I will vote for this year. Although I am technically listed as a Republican, it is only because I wanted to vote in the Republican presidential primary. I see myself as an Independent. I suppose as the years go on, I'll be voting for more Democrats. But for now, the party is very tainted for me. Once the Obama era is over, it might be easier to feel better about my old party. But not now, not yet.

I'm going to watch the DNC goings on because I want to see if there are any women on the agenda who I can feel good about supporting. I know that I truly love listening to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, but I haven't seen her listed as a speaker. I used to like the tough-talking Senator Barbara Mikulski, and I'm hoping to feel that way again. So as I look to move on, hopefully I can find something to believe in with some Democratic women. We still need more women elected, and I'll do what I can to keep my eye on things.

And just like having been the voice for some who couldn't speak out, I'll watch the DNC for those of you who can't bring yourself to do it yet. And no matter what I'm watching Bill Clinton's speech. That sly old dawg is up to something, and it's not saving Obama's ass. I'm putting my money on the fact that he's got his eye on 2016 and getting Hillary into the White House. Maybe he'll dawg whistle some of that.........LOL!!!!!!!! That's one whistle I'm ready to hear.

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  1. I most likely will not watch the DNC. The Dem. Party -- I don't recognize it any more, so far left, divisive. As for Big Dawg, it's about what's in it for him and for Sec. State Hillary Clinton. If he's out to save Bobo's back side, will it be praise for dismantling Clinton welfare reform? I think not. Praise for Bobo's wonderful economic plan? If so, then he'll not be believed. Are we to believe that all is well with him and the bobos? I think not.

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    1. FormerDemNowIndy------for sure things aren't well with Bobo and Bubba. They're clearly just using each other. It could backfire too....

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    2. Jen the MichiganderSeptember 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

      The minute Bill takes that stage, he's going to remind everyone at home (if not in the live audience) how much money they had in the 1990s and how much they've lost since then. The voters are going to come away wishing they could vote for him or for Hillary. Which is probably what Bill wants them to think.

      I don't plan to watch most of the DNC. I'll watch Bill's speech. I'd like to hear Cory Booker, too. But the rest of it just doesn't interest me. I've heard it all before and I'm just not buying what the Obama Democrats are selling. Their version of the Democratic Party does not speak to me or for me. Neither Party does. I consider myself politically homeless.

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    3. We can only hope that Bill's speech does what you say Jen the Michigander. That would definitely be the best of a bad situation!!

      I like Cory Booker too.....

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  2. Cynthia, I'm just as upset with the Democratic party as anyone. (I think you understand.) But there is no way I can bring myself to vote for anyone in a party that has so blatantly declared war on women's rights over the past two years. How do you get past that hurdle? I sincerely want to know.

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    1. Jill Stein is not declaring "a war on women's rights." She is a viable alternative.

      But... for my .02, it is the Dem Party that declared war on my rights. In 2008. When they took our primary votes and disregarded them for a back room deal.

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    2. That war on women is such a bunch of bs. If anyone is waging a war on women it's the dems. FYI, most older people are women and Obamabot just cut over 7 billion from medicare including MY advantage plan along with cutting what they pay providers. Do you have any idea how devastating that will be for senior women? No one wants to take medicare as it is; if they reimburse even less, no one will take us. Furthermore, the Advantage plan provides me with an annual cost cap,much like a major medical plan, which original medicare does not. You have to have another pension plan (like you worked for the government) or be able to afford a supplement plan, which I cannot afford.

      Obamabot hates older women.

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    3. I agree, the Democrat party (not the democratic party)declared a war on women in 2008 with their vicious sexist attacks on Hillary, Palin and any woman who ran for election, and I will never ignore that.

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    4. my gosh Puma For Life, sounds like you need a couple of PhD degrees to negotiate medicare. Scary stuff!

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    5. exactly Bes----you always say it so well!!!

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  3. Cynthia, I know you've repeatedly discussed the Democrats' attempts to make the election all about the war on women's reproductive rights, as of that were the most important thing women have to worry about. Well, I'm worried that it's working. Two very intelligent (but Democrat) friends of mine, said the same thing as Bev Campbell above. I was shocked. How can I respond effectively and succinctly?

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    1. Whatsertoe----

      I know Bev and she is a good person and has fought the old battle harder than most. As to Amnonymouse, well, some people have to hide. But I will tell you this. The people who espouse what Bev and Anonymouse are saying are a small (and growing smaller by the day) but extremely vocal group who are clinging onto a battle from yesterday and are very susceptible to hearing the dog whistles put out for women to stay corralled and mired in yesterday imho.

      As a result, it can be frustratingly impossible to get them to see any other vision. So far, I have not found any kind of argument to bring them around. But if they are willing to discuss cordially, as both these people have, we can just keep the conversation going. It can be difficult and sometimes downright unpleasant to stand one's ground, but we must and not shy away from our beliefs. They are as entitled to their vision as we are to ours.

      But in the end, it is this small and growing smaller group that will be the last to come around to our argument. That's ok-----other groups are much more persuadable and to those other groups, I figure a good 60% of the electorate, our argument makes much more sense. So, Whatsertoe, keep going, stand up tall and proud for yourself and what you believe. That's America!!!! And that's our future....

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    2. Cynthia, I admire your optimism, buy I just don't get the same impression that the group is getting smaller. I've socialized with two women for more than a decade. (They live in different states.). They've never included "reproductive rights" or abortion among their a reasons to vote democrat in the past; at least not in our many political debates. This new term "reproductive rights" includes birth control.

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    3. their getting smaller because we're getting older and some of us are dying. even though they're getting smaller, they're getting louder.

      Interesting that your two acquaintances never talked about "reproductive rights" before. They're being dog whistled, poor things. All part of staying in the group, not about logic or forward thinking. Sigh. It's a tough battle Whatsertoe. Hang in there!!!!

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    4. I just can't see anything dumber than a woman who has no reproductive worries putting reproductive freedom as the most important issue of the election. After age 45 women have freedom from reproduction and demographically women who are over 45 are a huge group. Lesbians and women who don't have sexual interactions with men also don't need to worry about their reproductive freedom as they have freedom from reproduction also. Many married women in their reproductive years welcome however many children they wind up with and they aren't concerned with reproductive issues either. Birth control has gotten more effective and safe since the time when reproductive rights was THE WOMEN'S ISSUE. I think the group of women this reproductive rights/war on women theme appeals to is relatively small. If I were the Dems I wouldn't put my money on it but clearly the Dems are out of touch with real women.

      Clearly the most important issue for women is equal participation of women in government and Democrats set that back 50 years with their 2008 campaign of misogyny.

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    5. It seems so OBVIOUS that equal participation in government is THE women's issue of our age. can't understand why the Dems are so late to the party on this one.....

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  4. It's not the Democratic party you should be waging war on, but the women in it who did not vote for Hillary Clinton. This is a cultural problem - not a political one. If you really want to advance the cause of ALL women you will keep your eye on that ball - not on your hatred of the Democrats. You are very honest in admitting the source of your anger, but your sense that punishing Obama is going to help women just isn't true. You have to get back to what made you so mad in the first place - women's second place status - in BOTH parties. You may not like the Democrats, but try to imagine a world in which these Republicans appoint a few more people to the supreme court! Women - and minorities - and gays - can pretty much all go back in the closet for a couple of decades. You have to decide which is more important - The Cause, or one's own anger.

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    1. There is some truth to this, "anonymous." We do have a cultural problem on our hands.

      BUT..... the Dem Party certainly shares the blame for what happened in 2008. Repeated calls for Hillary to drop out were made by party officials long before the primaries ended. Delegates were bullied. In MI, delegate votes were literally stolen from Ms. Clinton and given to Mr. Obama.....

      I could go on and on....

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    2. I see more bright and upcoming women in the GOP than the Dem party. I guess you watch MSNBC because they conveniently did not s how any of the speeches by minorities or women in order to create a false image of the party.

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    3. The Republicans have always been better than the Democrats at building their bench. The Dems need to get more serious about that. It could be a real step forward for women.

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  5. I'll be watching some of it. I think I am still in too much pain from the betrayal to bear watching all of it.

    I can only imagine how hard this will be for Bill. And Hillary. So... I'll watch a little bit of it out of respect for them.

    I will throw up if I even have to look at Donna Brazil. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or Claire McCaskill.Or any woman, really, who turned her back on HIllary long before the primaries ended.





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    1. I'll be there with you-Stray Yellar Dawg? Gritting my teeth....

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  6. To Anonymouse and Bev---

    What if one doesn't believe as you do that the Democrats are the party of women? My fundamental problem with the party is as crystal clear to me as apparently your vision is to you. I see both parties as the problem and I don't buy the war on women garbage that you do. I find that the digging in that you are doing as you cling to a fading ideology extremely dangerous to the future of women as I see it. And beyond that to adhere to a vision for women that is encrusted in yesterday's battles is counterproductive. The reason why women imho are in such a pathetic circumstance of holding only 16.8% of Congressional seats, 8% of the mayorships of america's 100 largest cities, 12% of the governorships, 2.8% of the CEO positions, no woman president or VP ever, is because we are mired in a politics that has put us there. BOTH PARTIES guilty as charged.

    Why? Because we women have been anesthetized to seeing what is in our best interests. And what would that be you ask? Our truly best interests is to join hands and use our power in numbers to take our rightful place at the table instead of accepting the crumbs.

    So cling to your principles. There's another generation coming up that isn't married to the reproductive fights and is free to form its own vision as a result.

    So we'll just have to disagree. I'm not going where you are. Sorry.

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  7. I'm one of the 4 million and appreciate your writings. You always capture what I'm thinking/feeling so well. I haven't watched 'news' shows other than FOX for 4 years. After all the lies, misinformation, omissions and Obama supporting... I can't stand to and won't watch the usual networks. CSPAN will be a good option for the DNC convention.

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    1. NoObamaGma----we've sure been through the wringer haven't we!! I guess since neither one of us watches the LSM, we've turned into internet and social networking types. At my age, I'm not sure I'd have gotten so savvy if I hadn't been forced there!! LOL!!

      That and my new friends are the silver lining. But no silver lining in the world can make up for what we were put through in 2008.......

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  8. Perhaps, 60 years ago the right to have an abortion was crucial to a woman's health and economic success, but today reliable birth control is readily available, and contrary to what Ms. Fluke says, very affordable. If a woman is living in poverty her birth control is already covered by her government issued health insurance. This battle is no longer one that women should be wasting our limited political power on. But it seems to be a tactic that women fall prey to year after year.

    Whichever party offers women real political power and supports economic opportunity for women will get my vote. The RNC showcased some very accomplished women who are in positions to make things better for women. I'm open to seeing what the Democrats have to offer. I was very disappointed to see recent ads by Elizabeth Warren dragging out the abortion and the supreme court argument again. I would have expected someone of her accomplishments to have more to offer. I hope she doesn't waste her precious time at the podium going there.

    BTW, Cynthia, Gillibrand is scheduled to address the Iowa delegation at the convention. Maybe someone will Youtube it because if they don't, she's going to be invisible.

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    1. well put samanthasmom, well said!! And thanks for the heads up about Gillibrand. Why do you think she's not getting a more prominent role?

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    2. I don't know what happened to Gillibrand. A couple of years ago she was one of the Democrats' rising stars. I would have expected her to be giving the keynote address this year. But the powers that be seem to be hiding her light under a bushel basket. Instead, their "rising star" is a 63 year old woman who hasn't been elected dogcatcher yet. I thought Gillibrand was known for being a team player, and she has shown herself able to get herself elected statewide. She must not have kissed the ring often enough.

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  9. I will have a huge problem watching any of the DNC trying to color the state of the economy and the welfare of the US in its attempt to justify keeping Obama in office another 4 years. Bill Clinton notwithstanding. I'll keep up with the goings on by reading the blogs. I guess. And I say this with sadness more than with anger this year.

    My hand didn't fall off or turn color when I voted for the Rs in 2008, so I know I'm safe to vote R/R this year. And this year my vote is for economic recovery. Without economic recovery RvW won't matter. And of all the women who are chanting about the "War against Women",I ask what they think their world will be like in a few years when most of us are collecting welfare or unemployment and/or demanding improved Medicaid benefits because no one will have jobs. Then it will not be a war against women, it will be a fight to get the few remaining jobs and we all know who gets those jobs first. It ain't us.

    I sound angry today, but I'm not. I'm just fed up with the fakery of the Democrats who are blaming the Republicans for all the evil in government, the economy, the well-being of our citizens and who are trying to scare us into voting for the person who has helped "catapult the propaganda" in order to not take responsibility for any of this mess.

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    1. I left a message for you at TCH. I ought to have left it here.
      Here it is: I can't figure out how to comment under my own name. So if you could let me know I'd appreciate it.
      leslie0109 at comcast dot net (different from the address at myiq's place. But they both work.) thnx

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    2. all I can say is I agree with you Anon. I personally can't wait til the Obama era is over so we can reclaim our Democratic party. I'm not sure I want to be a Democrat again, but we are owed a better Democratic Party than the one we have at the moment.

      And for all of you Dems who are pissed off at me saying such a thing, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN!!!! I am an Independent, and I believe that our parties owe us voters something. And for me that something is a serious effort to advance women within both of their ranks and do it without all of the sexism. We're not there yet......

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  10. Leslie----I emailed you how to get your comments on. Hope it makes sense and that it works cause I can't wait to add your voice to the mix over here!!!!

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    1. thanks. . . I'm anonymous just above. I'll try to use your directions now.

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  11. Cynthia:

    Do you have a link to a source that corroborates that 4 million women left the Dem party during and after the 2008 campaign?

    Also, you saw several very impressive up-and-coming Republican women, any of whom cay be nominated for President or Vice President in the years to come (in particualr, Mia Love and Susana Martinez) and if the DNC doesn't showcase young female talent of equal caliber then I think you will keep voting Repub. Clearly, the party that is supposed to be waging a "war on women" is grooming so many of them for national office that eventually we WILL have a woman in the West Wing and she WILL NOT be a Dem.

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    1. The curious thing to me is how the DNC is highlighting have on Sandra Fluke, lily Ledbetter (who I think is a gutsy lady and who I respect), the head of Planned Parenthood. None of these women is an elected official. The RNC also had non elected officials, but they made sure to highlight their up and coming female stars. I believe that this was Romney's doing. I get tired of people saying he's so anti woman. He's definitely not-----at least not in the things I care about. I am a bit disappointed that he didn't name a woman running mate, but I'm over it. That hope was a long shot at best.

      The 4 million figure I got from the man who ran the Democrats for McCain operation who is a big time Democratic operative.

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  12. It makes no sense to vote out a person I do not want in office with a team that I have even less in common with and don't want in office even more then the one I hope to boot out! In November of this year, I will be writing in a candidate for President. Until we the American voter quit acting like a herd of sheep by doing the check mark thing of 'choosing between two evils' with our scared VOTE but instead develop a spine and en-mass walk into our voting booth and shout a clear NO THANK YOU to these two party's phony elections & governing, neither side of these jokers aren't going to do a thing to really help the common people of this country. EVER! It really is only with the exercise of our "the power of one" VOTE that we can do this. One person one vote is the real democracy. Let us prove this democracy power in this election by doing our "write in the vote" and shout we are unwilling to participate in their fake system of democracy. Pick the name you really would like to have as your President and write that name in! We should not care what name each person selects as long as it is from the honesty of their own heart. Mine will be Hillary Clinton for President as I truly believe she is the only person that has the will, skill, ability and experience to get us out of this mess. Oh and my VP write in will be Olympia Snow as I believe she should preside of this can't get anything done senate! Then and only then will be get to say things like, may the best person win or the PEOPLE have spoken.

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    1. go for it RRNUSA----Clinton/Snow. I LOVE it!!!!

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  13. I'm glad you will be my DNC filter, Cynthia. I can't watch it. Voting Republican will be easy this year, again. Obama sucked the life out of the Democratic Party, and I won't go back until he and his influence are gone. It's that simple. All Hillary supporters should have made the Democrats pay in 2008, but they didn't. That's where our power was.

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    1. lyn5----you should be writing this blog. You said it all better than I did in many fewer words!!!!! the Hillary supporters should have made them pay. that they didn't speaks volumes about the state of feminism in the U.S. and how it is a spent force.

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  14. In 2008 the Democrats should have gone with Hillary who was the candidate who had the most experience and who won the most votes. Obama was too inexperienced but he should have used 2008 to raise peoples awareness of him then ran again in 2016. Hillary could have won the election. Obama could have improved his resume and run in 2016. That way the party would still be together and there would have been 16 years of Democrats in power. Instead they corrupted the caucuses for Obama, threw out the Hillary votes of many states, unleashed the most disgusting load of misogyny civil people have ever witnessed and told Hillary their best and most qualified candidate to sit down and shut up. The tore the party apart and they still haven't figured out it was a mistake. There is no hope for a strong effective Democrat party as long as these people are in charge.

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    1. Jen the MichiganderSeptember 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      I am still angry about 2008, but I am also angry about 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. This economic depression (and we should call it that, not a recession) has devastated my family and my community. I cannot sign up for four more years of this. And contrary to what you might hear from the speakers in Charlotte, the economy is NOT getting better.

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    2. Bes----I wonder what it will ever take for these idiots to realize what a stupid mistake they made in not uniting the party in 2008. Only a loss this year might make them have that kind of lightbulb moment. And really, 16 years in power consecutively would be something the Dems haven't seen since FDR 80 years ago. What stupidity.....

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    3. Jen the Michigander----I guess if the party is going to try to sell us on the idea that the economy isn't bad, people will rebel. And O will look even more ridiculous. But I wouldn't put anything past these political geniuses/clowns. Sorry the bad times have taken such a toll on you and your family and friends.

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    4. Cynthia: I don't think the current batch of Democrats will ever figure out how stupid it was to corrupt the political process with vile unhinged misogyny in 2008 and then to tell Hillary to sit down and shut up and then have the remaining women Democrats idiotically pretend there was no sexism. It just isn't possible for people who are so stupid as to have created this situation in the first place to come up with a workable plan to remedy it. Hell, they haven't even figured out there is a problem yet and they are far to arrogant to acknowledge that they are IT.

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    5. Bes----only an electoral loss will encourage that kind of introspection. And even then it may never happen. Why?

      First of all, they really didn't need us to win last time. Sadly that is a fact. However, if Hillary had been the nominee, she would have won by a much larger margin. Just about any Democrat would have won in 2008 since that's how the winds were blowing.

      Secondly, another sad fact, the Dems apparently still enjoy a gender gap that is tilted in their favor. You and I know that they certainly don't enjoy that kind of loyalty, but there it is. It will have to be our job to figure out how to break that gender hegemony.

      It's going to be an ugly week as far as bringing women together is concerned....

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  15. I agree whole heartedly! Used to vote Dem, have my pic with Bill Clinton and all, but will be voting for Romney this year. The shear disregard for our money and the 5 trillion this administration has added to the debt is enough to steer me away from the Dem party this election....not to mention all the lies and broken promises....ridiculous!!!

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  16. "If any of the Democrats who have stayed on board in 2008 instead of leaving like the 4 million of us who did depart the party choose to come onto this blog to excoriate me for expressing myself, I'm going to delete your comments. I don't mind having a real conversation about it, but I'm not dealing with name calling, insults, nasty abortion talk, character assassination, shaming, arrogance, etc. You won't win me back that way, so what good does it do you to go there? If you want to comment politely, I'm happy to have a conversation. Ok?"

    Good for you for setting boundaries. It pains me sometimes to watch my fellow disaffected Democrats let the proglodytes walk all over them, so I'm glad I won't be seeing that here anymore. Let them dwell in their clueless cave and get woken up on November 6th like we were on May 31, 2008. I, for one, will enjoy their tears and their pain in the same way they relished mine.

    That said, I too watched the RNC on C-SPAN and will do the same for the DNC this week. I also prefer to think for myself rather than have my thoughts guided by too-clever-by-half talking heads who reverberate their own echo chambers. That's what sets us apart, ftr. We pay attention and we think for ourselves. We used to have a whole party who joined us in that, but no more. We will now be leading the pack of new thinkers who light the coming road. So glad to have you for company, Cynthia. You're one smart cookie. :)

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    1. thanks AB. It's my honor to go down this road with you....

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  17. Thanks very much for highlighting the vile sexism that,like racism and other forms of stereotyping, so pollutes our political discourse. I never saw most of the video clips you have posted, because (thankfully) I seldom watch TV. Maher's comments are particularly disgusting, coming from an 'avowed' Democrat. I certainly won't be taking him - or anyone like him - seriously ever again.

    In 2007-8, I initially strongly supported Sen. Clinton for President, but switched to Sen. Obama when he staked out a strong, unequivocal anti-war position regarding Iraq and she did not. I was also impressed with the clever way he ran his campaign, leveraging the Internet and social media in a way that nobody else was doing. In particular, this seemed to energize a youthful contingent that was necessary for the long-term growth of the party.

    In switching my allegiance to Sen. Obama at that time, it never even crossed my mind that I was making a 'sexist' decision. I strongly support significantly increasing the number of women in elected positions, but not necessarily to the exclusion of all other issues. Nor did I ever imagine blaming Obama for ultimately 'preventing' Clinton's likely election as the first female President. This seemed to me to be just an unfortunate consequence of a completely legitimate political contest over other issues. And I certainly didn't end up supporting Obama just because he would be the first non-white nominee and President.

    Your blog has now made me aware for the very first time that there is another legitimate way to look at this story, a way that is particularly compelling for those women who strongly identified with Hillary as a woman trying to break yet another sexist glass ceiling. I'm not buying your near wholesale rejection of the Democratic party, but at least I'm beginning to understand it, and that's very helpful - thanks again.

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    1. gee Mainly Mike---you've got me practically in tears over here in Columbus, OH. I don't think we've heard from anyone with your story who hasn't tried to whup us into the ground. Thanks for your openmindedness!!

      My wholesale rejection of the Democrats is because I became a Democrat over 40 years ago because it was in the middle of the second wave of feminism, and I was one of those feminists. And I took on all of the other party issues to be a team player. My past with the party has been extremely involved as a Congressional candidate twice, a well-known fundraiser and trainer, on the party executive committee, etc. Many like me felt that we did and did and did an did for our party and when it was finally our turn to have OUR issue addressed, we were ridiculed, told we didn't matter, and told to shut up. Like many, if my usefulness to the party was going to be rewarded that way, I was out of there.

      Thanks for trying to understand!!!!

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  18. Good thoughts, in my opinion mike, I feel pretty much the same way. The anger among many women here is very understandable and to a large degree justified. The words directed at the women candidates is a matter of public record and cannot be disputed. I just think that this battle among women to label one party as worse than the other party is the true political trap that women find themselves in right now. Republicans and democrats can put as many women on stage as they want but until one of them gives a woman the nomination, its all just window dressings and both parties know this are so good at it and it seems to work unfortunately.

    The fact is, Unity is the key; as long as women demonize the women of the other party, each group of women will fight each other and both sides continue to loose. This fight is so much bigger than democrats and republicans. Both parties have nominated a women for VP. One 24 years earlier than the other. Both parties failed in this effort in a country where women are the majority. This fact alone is mind-blowing and telling about the true nature of the fight and the herculean effort needed to affect change for women in politics.

    Hypothetical question to all here: What if by some magic the democratic party nominated Michelle Obama for president, how many women here would support here fully without reservations?

    Just a thought.

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    1. Hi Ryan----glad to see you back!! I don't think that Michelle Obama will run, so it is a moot point. Come back to me when it happens.

      I'm going to write a piece, probably after the conventions are over, about how we can get more women elected. I've written about it before. I call it the 3M strategy and I'm going to update for the 2012 elections.

      You have hit upon the REAL problem for women-----the fact that women are perfectly divided and dog whistled to stay that way. How in the world we bring women together is our dilemma.

      Ryan, I'm sure you have lots better things to do with your time, but I've written alot about where our 4 million began and where we are now and all of the issues that got us there. You might want to read through some of our stuff. Your comments would be interesting....

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    2. Glad the Michelle Obama for President idea is hypothetical. When the Dems told Hillary to sit down and shut up in 2008 they tried to substitute in Michelle in her place in a most offensive way. I still remember the MO fashion bulletins as if fashion is what women want from a woman political leader. I want to see a qualified woman in the White house not a legacy which is what Michelle would be. She does not have the experience to be President. Maybe she would like to run for public office and build her resume, then I might vote for her for President in the future.

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    3. ryan,
      We aren't keeping score about how many women are showcased at the conventions. We're keeping score about who they are and what kind of support they're getting from their respective parties. The Republicans showcased women who are sitting governors and senators, and women entering the arena as fresh new candidates like Mia Love. This is an indication to us that the Republicans are "priming the pump" with women who will have the qualifications to run for the highest offices for years to come.
      So far the lineup for the Democrats looks more like women who are activists for causes the Democrats think are important to women, but not women who are in political office. I like to call these women the "Ladies Auxiliary of the Democratic Party". I want to see the women who are going to be running for president in the years to come. Not the water carriers for the men.

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  19. Cynthia wrote..."To me and many like me, the list of villains from 2008 is long and deep. And that list includes women."

    Thank you for writing that. Ultra angry feminists go ballistic at the thought that women had anything to do with Hillary Clinton losing in 2008. I believe there was an age gap among women feminists, in which the younger feminists did not want to vote for "mom".

    And women already in power, such as Winfrey, Huffington, Pelosi, plus lesser known women such as Shriver, and their entirely premature support for Barack Obama, enabled way too many men in the media to not give Hillary Clinton a fair shake in 2008.

    Huffington Post was the worst as far as I was concerned, and Ms. Huffington has not hidden her intense dislike for the Clintons. Oprah Winfrey had an episode of her show devoted to the magnitude of Barack Obama being elected, comparing it to before christ, B.C, and after the death of Christ, A.D., even suggesting the election might mark the beginning of B.O.

    Oprah's banter was so insane that I don't think Oprah will ever allow that episode to run again, she's probably erased it by now, but the millions unfairly afflicted by Obama's handling of Parallel Foreclosure, a constitutional violation, won't ever get their lives back by simply erasing that episode in their lives.

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    1. DailyPuma....thanks. Don't you think that these "angry feminists" as you call them look ridiculous denying the extent of the sexism? They completely destroyed any credibility and legitimacy they had as leaders of women's progress. But I've always said that they are a small but vocal group that is growing smaller. They will be the absolute LAST to get the message that our politics need to change if women are to advance.

      I am an Independent Senior Sales Director with Mary Kay and I teach sales techniques all day long. One of our principle lessons is to identify quickly what a person is telling you when they say "no." We learn that 50% of the "no's" can be turned into yeses on the spot, 25% of them can be changed but will take some time, and 25% of them will not change into a yes. We teach this because sometimes in sales we spend all of our time trying to convince the unconvinceable, that last 25% and we waste our time and our energy in these futile pursuits.By being able to identify what kind of no we are dealing with, we spare ourselves alot of heartache.

      I'm saying all of this because I look at the vocal, loud left feminists, that small and growing smaller group, as kind of unconvinceble at this point. There is much softer easier terrain to aim our message toward than to those women. I figure that they will come along later when they realize no one is paying attention to them and are marching along toward victory in a different direction!!

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    2. And look at how Oprah's new channel OWN does in the ratings...it bombed, because she ruined her credibility with women viewers.

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    3. Don't get me started on Oprah.....

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  20. Susan Burgess, was an elected democratic and Mayor Pro Tem of Charlotte for a few years.
    Susan Burgess is the person that marketed Charlotte to the DNC for the national convention.
    Susan worked harder than anyone else to accomplish Charlotte as the host city.

    Sadly, Susan died of cancer and did not see her dream work become a reality.
    Do you think DNC will give that credit to Susan Burgess for her good work?
    Recognizing women has never been on the Obama-radar.

    President Clinton was overwhelmingly the BEST President of the U.S.A. in my lifetime.
    How different it would be if we were working to re-elect President Hilllary Clinton.
    Her experience and much more always made her a superior candidate.
    Why give Obama any credit for her fine foreign policy skills and accomplishments during trying times?

    Bill Clinton is certainly a kind person -- but Barack and Michelle Obama are not even thankful -- when they should be eternally grateful.

    Every time I see President Clinton I am reminded that Obama would not even consider Hillary for VP -- and the democrats defending stupid Biden statements is too much.

    If Romney is elected it will be easier to elect Hillary Clinton in 2016.

    I will NEVER forgive and forget how DNC treated Bill and Hillary Clinton.
    Because, YES, for decades I also gave my time, money, heart and soul to elect Democratic women, but in 2008 I learned I was wrong and it was a waste. Because of Obama democratic women and blue dog democrats in 2010 went down to defeat in record high numbers.

    YES, only watch C-SPAN if you watch the democratic convention.

    Independent Voter

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  21. Cynthia, I'm not sure I get it, but then maybe I'm just a dumb man. I voted for Obama over Clinton, sure - but it was her politics, not her sex that lost my vote. In trying to appeal to men (at least, it seemed to me) she had to prove she was tougher, more manly, more warlike than anyone else and swung far to the right. If I wanted that I'd have voted for that idiot Bush. My assumption was that most people did the same. Still, I was very happy that she was asked to serve as Secretary of State, a position where she could use her formidable talents to good advantage. Frankly, she would have been wasted as VP, and while Biden seems like a good guy the role fits him better. Obama deserves credit for seeing that ability in a former opponent and asking her to join him.

    Now before you get mad I should say that I'm a proud Washingtonian - where we elected a woman governor three times (the first time turned out to be a terrible mistake) and two of the best senators, male or female have served us well for many years. I don't know how they do things back east, but here we pretty much vote for the best candidate. Like 'Manly Mike' I opposed Hillary over her warmongering, not her sex. It was irritating at the time that I couldn't support her, but I'm practical first, a feminist second.

    So, did I err in voting for who I felt was the best candidate?

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    1. Nope Randy-----I can't fault you for anything you said. And the state of Washington IS leading the way when it comes to women.

      My beef is that the Obama campaign used the worst forms of sexism to win and it all got swept under the rug. Voting for Obama wasn't sexist. The sexism was sexist. And the Obama campaign encouraged it at every turn. You might want to look at the videos on the right to understand what got so many of us so upset.

      Obama would have gained my respect if he'd insisted that that kind of stuff wasn't acceptable and had his campaign and surrogates guard against it. But instead, they found it to be a viable campaign strategy. Game over for folks like me.

      But Randy---I'm happy to see you here as part of our conversation. Hope you come back!!!!

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    2. It's OK to vote your choice Randy don't worry about it and we don't require your agreement or understanding. I am from Washington too and you actually didn't vote for anyone in the 2008 Primary because the Democrat party didn't honor Washington's Primary election. They also didn't honor the Primary vote of several other states. I object to the Democrat sexism and to their not immediately calling out the media sexism but in fact encouraging it. I also found the attempt to substitute in Michelle Obama for Hillary transparent and offensive. In my political realm I have zero need for daily fashion bulletins or house keeping and child rearing tips. I do not consider any First Lady a women's representative and maybe men will "get" this when they are offered a President's husband as their men's representative in government. I mean not to worry guys...when you lose the representation of a male in the Presidency you will gain a male fashion icon if the first woman President is married so hey get out there and celebrate!

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    3. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh casts a fairly tall shadow; so did Sir Denis Thatcher, if your taste runs that way. As in 1990s Washington, the consort role is what its owner makes of it.

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    4. I would really like to see what Bill Clinton would make of the consort role. Would the White House have daily bulletins regarding what he's wearing? Maybe he could bond with male voters by picking teams in football and basketball tournaments?! I am sure he would take his role a First Man seriously and you all would have a fine men's issues representative in the White House.

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  22. That "academic bubble" Cynthia thinks my family lives in -- where exactly half the Ivy League universities now have female presidents, and where Elinor Ostrom (Economics), Elizabeth Blackburn (Medicine), and Ada Yonath (Chemistry) all won the Nobel Prize in 2009 -- is coming to a major party convention near you! Please don't miss Elizabeth Warren's speech, if you have time for only one this week. Or, even better, listen to the March 2007 academic lecture that made her the most important female voice in American politics, before American politics even saw her coming.

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    1. Elizabeth Warren is a major disappointment. If she's the most important female voice in American politics, women might as well hang it up. She makes my commitment to voting for women almost as difficult as it would be for me to vote for Phyllis Schafly. I will be listening to her speech because I enjoy comedy.

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  23. It's funny - I think it will be easier for me as a confirmed righty to watch than it will be for a lot of you. I got used to all the name calling and nastiness a long long time ago. '08 was only different for me because it was the first time in my adult life I can remember the Dems really going after their own (Hillary and supporters) the way they always go after the rest of us.

    I'm going to watch it - on CSPAN also so I get the straight dope - because I want to be informed. I get so frustrated with people on the left who reframe and sometimes just lie about the positions, speeches, tone etc of the events on the right - and a lot of lefty voters and commentators just go along ignorantly because they don't watch for themselves. Soooo- that means I have to watch the Dems a lot so that I can be sure I am making my own opinions and judgments with my own eyes and ears rather than watching everything through one party or another’s spin machine.

    It is also one of the great advantages of having lived and traveled broadly - It makes it much harder for either party to demonize people in my eyes when I have lived and had friends among whatever group they are bashing.

    It is rare that I will vote for a Dem (except women in primaries) because I just disagree on policy and governing theory - but how can I know that if I don't listen to what they have to say?

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  24. Thia----I wish I had your equanimity about all of this. It gives me something to strive for....

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  25. Cynthia, This is the first occasion of my reading your blog. I am enlightened and grateful. I have increased clarity of several audible and visual observations and impressions made since 2008. I had to look up 3-5 terms, this type of Intellectually stimulating and Educational dialogue is what energizes me most! In 2008 I
    changed my Republican status to Democrat to vote for Barak Obama. Not having sought political office has assuredly shaped my priorities differently than yours (as well.) These kinds of differences in our realities are important distinctions to be aware of and acknowledge when seeking to Share Perspective and Understanding of Issues. Aggressive pursuit of, diligennt use and support of Peaceable verbiage to communicate with one another is
    extremely Effective and Valuable. None of us are Ridiculous for not having someone else's Vision. We Collaborate more Efficiently and more Often in and outside communities if we use Non-violent terms to describe our own and one another's lack, ignorance, error and occasional stupidity:) Living Peace by John Dear is an excellent book to help us BRIDGE this Great Nation and our world. I'm hopeful that readers can acknowlege that many 2008 Democrats (women specifically) simply stayed true to their own well considered and perhaps moral convictions, having betrayed no one nor falling prey to anyone's manipulations. Lastly, Cynthia, you ARE a Republican, technically counts, albeit by your description only temporarily w/specific intent:)I look forward to reading more of your posts.

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